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是谁在与民主为敌

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主演:约翰·皮尔格

类型:电影地区:英国语言:英语年份:2007

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  这部纪录片是屡屡获奖的导演约翰·皮尔格的新作。[约翰·皮尔格成长於澳洲悉尼,目前定居英国伦敦。他是一位优秀的战地记者、作家与制片家,两度获颁英国新闻界最高荣誉“年度记者”。皮尔格足迹遍及世界各地,最受肯定的报导作品发自柬埔寨(收录于《别对我撒谎》一书)与越南。皮尔格曾荣膺“年度国际记者”与“联合国媒体和平奖”。他的纪录片得过法国“无国界记者”大奖、艾美奖,以及英国电影电视艺术学院颁发的“理查丁伯比奖”。皮尔格三十年来锲而不舍地揭露世事真相、奔走倡导人权,在2003年获颁“苏菲奖”。译者注]本片认为,美国非但没有像声称的那样要给全世界带来民主,反而正竭尽所能地想要扼杀它。  影片单独与美国政府官员进行对话,包括一些特工,他们首次在影片中披露上世纪80年代CIA是如何在拉丁美洲挑起战争的。Pilger认为,真正的大众的民主其实更有可能存在于拉丁美洲的穷乡僻壤间,那儿穷苦人民的民主运动经常被西方忽略了。热播电视剧最新电影真雄起通往自由的通道山炮之王嗨翻时空捕鼠记朝内81号不能没有你2022相爱十年刀侠龙宫女刺客之大明女监天下无贼2011瑰觅追光第一季催眠裁决28岁未成年电影版哆哆嗖嗖啦啦嗖长驱直入心理医生何班主和他的情人乌金血剑机甲大师 第四季米德威奇布谷鸟第一季雪鹰领主电影版新笑傲江湖丁冠森版嗜血将军2白皮少女浪漫骑士请放手

 长篇影评

 1 ) trivial,但是可以想到其他

民主是美国精神的基石,不民主类同违宪,乃会导致社会秩序的崩溃。但利益维护本质上就没有民主的因子,毋庸说国家或阶级之间,长短期利弊也无法以民主的角度考查政策优劣。所以美国的行径和其民主之教旨在根子上就有built-in的inconsistency。攻击这一点是trivial、毫无用处的,但可以指出的是它在达到手段的目的上都往往没有哪怕表面上符合其教旨,这就很让人对其文明感到失望了。暴力解决、矛盾表面化和激怒原本可以用一点甜头就平息的弱势群体、以及执行过程中缺乏对己方违宪行为的严格监管,这些做法都显得naive,二十世纪的美国还这么naive,也难怪中国了。

 2 ) 请看查尔斯总统的新闻:

 3 ) just to learn by what they said

The War On Democracy

Guatemala is going to enter a new era
In which there will be prosperity for the people,
together with liberty for the people.

The question is, why are we supporting El Salvador?
No, the question was, why are we killing priests in El Slvardo?
The answer is, we're not, now, you be quiet.
Prisident Christiani is trying to do a job for democracy
and the lelf-wing guerrillas must not take over El Salvador.

(George W Bush) America will not impose our own style of governement on the unwilling,
our goal instead is to help others to find their own voice,
attain their own freedom, and make their own way.

This film is about the struggle of people to free themelves,
from a morden form of slavery.
Richard Nixon, president of the United States,
once said of Latin America,"People don't give a shit about the place,"
He was wrong,
The grand design of the United States as a morden empire,
was drawn on the hopes of an entire continent
known contemptously as "the back yard"
The extraordinary witnesses in this film
describe a world not as American presidents like to see it,
as useful or expendable,
they describe the power of courage and humanity,
among people with next to noghing.
They reclaim noble words like democracy, freedom, liberation, justice,
and in doing so, they're definding the most basic human rights of all of us
in a war being waged against all of us.



THE WAR ON DEMOCRACY
A FILM BY JOHN PILGER


This is Caracas, capital of Venezuela
one of the richest countries in Latin America
thanks to huge deposits of oil
The rich in Venezuela live in leafy suburbs
with names like Country Club
Their spiritual homes are Miami and Washington

The majority live in what are known as barrios
on hillsides in breeze-block houses that defy gravity
In the past these people had been invisible-
excluded from their own soceity
Today they display the confidence of those
who know an extraordinary change has come to their lives

This is Hugo Chavez president of Venezuela the voice of the barrios
Chavez and his supporters have won ten elections in eight years
(cheering)
He's the symbol of an awakening of people powerdriven by great popular movenments that are unique to Latin America

The days of the old bosses and barons are over,That false, elite democracy is over in Venezuela,


It's no surprise that Chavez, with the help of an aggressive media coverage
has become a hate figure in the United States
because what he represents is another way
and a threat to Amecrican domination

(# Rock music)
……

(Speaking Spanish)
……

-Let me ask about you, personally,
I mean, travelling with you for the last couple of days,
I've seen a man who's clearly deeply committed
to what you want for the Venezuelan people,
Could you describe where that came from?
-I was born in a very poor home,a peasant home, so I experienced poverty,
I was a poor child, barefoot,
My father was a teacher at a rural school, and my mother too,
I had a beautiful grandmother, She was Indian, She filled me with love,
My grandmother taught me a lot,
and I learned from her about solidarity with other people,
about sharing the bread even when there's little to eat,
Later,I went into the army, the military academy, and I became a soldier,
And there I found out about Bolivar and started to realise what the truth was,

Simon Bolivar is venerated in Latin America
as the liberator from Spanish colonialism
Bolivar believed that freedom only came
when people united against all invaders no matter their disguise

Today the people of Latin America are again rising up
against an empire built on an extreme form of capitalism
know as the Washington Consensus
Whole countries have been privatized put up for sale
their natural wealth sold to foreign companies, for peanuts
In Venezuela they said "No more"

This is La Vega a barrio of a million people
Mariela Machadoo has lived here most of her life
She knows what it's like to be excluded in her own country

I can give you a very specific example on the maps,
All these hills and houses did not figure-they were shown as green spaces,
That was before Chavez's government,
Before Chavez, we did not feel a part of this society.

This is called a mission
It's a kind of parellel government
designed to bypass the old bureaucracy
and deliver real benefits to ordinary people
This is raw democracy- a triumph of the grass roots

Today they're discussing the dream of owning their own homes for the first time

We don't want the deeds just for their own sake,
More important the deeds themselves
is that we own the property in order to develop our cities,
and obtain the rights that have been denied us for so long,
This is the most important thing,
This is not a matter of getting the deeds and saying,"I'm sorted now, I can go,"
and stop coming to the parish assemblies,
because after the deeds, there are better things to come,
Like the development of our barrios.

Soon after Chavez was elected in 1999 Venezuelans voted on a constitutiong
and this little blue book has become a bestseller ever since


This is one of a chain of supermarkets set up in the barrios
funded by proceeds of oil
Here prices are kept low
and on the back of every rice and soap powder packet
are printed people's rights under the constitution

-Does it really mean somthing to you to see it there?
-Of course, because I didn't know we had rights like everyone else,
but this one, article 23,
tells us about national politics, and this makes us feel included.

Democracy, as I said recently, before our people,
as Lincoln said, has a simple definition- the difficulty is making it a reality,
We are making it a reality-
government of people, by the people and for the people,
A society where people are included and equal, where there is no exclusion,
there is no poverty, where human values reign.

For some of his supporters Chavez has not gone far enough
Familiar obstacles remain from the past
a stifling bureaucracy and widespread corruption
And although poverty has fallen dramatically in recent years, it's far from eradicated

-When you drive in from the airport and Caracas,
the one thing that shocks a first-visitor
are the barrios, the numbers of poor people,
Why is it, in Venezuela, which earns so many billions of dollars in oil money,
that there still is this poverty, in spite of all the changes you've made?
-The poor of Venezuela carry on being poor, yes,
I always say that we don't want to be rich, our aim is not material wealth,
It is to live with dignity, of course to come out of poverty,
and to come out of extreme poverty above all,
and to live, to live with dignity, this is the objective,
not to become millionaires, the Amecrican way of life, no that is stupid.
I'm teling you this because the issue of poverty affects us deeply,
It's most of our daliy struggle.

……
to be continued..

 4 ) 不能因为理想难以达到而放弃理想!

还没有绝对的公平、绝对的自由呢,
  就因为没有绝对的公平,你就不去追求公平,别人欺负你你别去法院告啊?
  就因为没有绝对的自由,你就不去追求自由,你咋不自己去山西找个黑煤窑,然后给别人做奴隶帮别人干活儿,任劳任怨呢???
  追求公平、自由,是人的本性,但绝对意义的公平、自由,只存在于理想里面,现实中,我们只能尽可能的让我们生活的空间多一点公平、自由,谁敢说现在的世界不比1000年前的进步?
  谁敢说1000年后的人们不能够比现在更公平、更自由?
  民主,只是在追求公平、自由的过程中的一个实现手段,我们每个人并不能管理公共事务,只能交给政府去管理,当政府管理的时候,管理者是通过什么途径取得管理权的,这时候我们就涉及到民主了,正因为大范围的绝对意义的民主只存在于理想中(小范围完全可以实现民主,比如一个公司的几个股东在分红的时候,在商议后基本可以做到大家满意),所以通常民主在大范围的政治上是一种利益博弈的结果。我们不会因为公平从来不能完全实现而避而不提公平,不能因为自由不会绝对存在而不去追求自由,同样,我们也不能因为民主总是遇到种种挫折、黑幕、阴谋,而去否定民主本身!
  正如,某个和尚邪淫,你不能说佛法是坏的;某个基督徒做坏事,你就说基督教有问题!

 5 ) 应该把这人送到朝鲜去

我承认,我亲美,这可能是我看了一半就删除了该片的一部分原因。但我更愿意相信删除它是因为我那略微比普通人多了那么一点点的传播学知识。

一般都认为电视新闻的可信度要比文字高,因为它能还原现场的视觉、听觉。而文字就如语言,可以随便瞎说,可以随便篡改。

但其实电视节目并无二致,也是一种符号的言说。只不过语言用词汇、句子构成意思,电视用则是用视觉片段加上剪辑。

正是因为电视也是可以剪辑的,事实当然也就是可以被改写的。经过剪辑,不好的可以变得没那么不好,甚至还可以直接变成好的。当然更加干脆的方法则是不报,报喜不报忧,《新闻联播》就是最好的例证。

还有一个关键概念,就是语境。这个就不多说了,简单来说就是去医院检查身体时提供的大便和平时你拉的大便虽然同为大便,但他们又并不都是同样的大便的意思。

我还记得这个片子中让我比较鄙视的东西:
1、“查韦斯上台后,全民公决了宪法。”
查韦斯真牛逼,一上台就能让人改变宪法。如果布什上台后能全民公决宪法,直接把“既然是United States of America,Latin America也要是美国的一部分”写入宪法,那委内瑞拉早就变成联邦中的一个state了。

2、一段反对查韦斯的示威者的镜头,示威者的表情被放大到整个屏幕。
没有字幕,我不知道镜头中的反查者们都说了什么。不过这反倒更让我注意到了制作方的别有用心。他们用了一个不是学影视的人都不知道的技巧:人的脸不能占满屏幕,要不然会显得突兀、丑陋。那些示威者们,也都是普通老百姓,只不过是持有不同政见,代表着不同的利益罢了,你凭什么那样丑化他们的形象?我相信制作者选取的也是一些不很理智的意见,可他们能说出那样的话,正因为他们也是普通老百姓。他们的诉求,就不民主了?

3、对政变的解释采用了查韦斯的“绑架”版。
查韦斯说他被绑架了,别人不让他说话,是其他人密谋策划了他辞职的假象以欺骗群众。依我看这个事情双方各有各的理,谁都说不清楚。当时小查可能真的以为大势已去,已经辞职了也不一定呢。真是可怜了那个女环境部长,她可能也是被蒙在鼓里的。看周围人的反应也应该知道,政要们对查韦斯的下台的消息已经没有什么疑惑了,他们只是点头,散开。拍这个片子的英国人真该死,一个劲地说是阴谋,根本没想过为那个女部长澄清。

最后小查说自己是被绑架了,从来都没有说过要辞职的说法之所以能被接收,搞惯政治斗争的中国人应该最能理解。

值得一提的是,虽然制作者口口声声说军队试图推翻查维斯,并以武力绑架了他,不过最后查韦斯的重新上位不也是所谓的总护卫队以武力威慑达到的么?狗咬狗,一嘴毛,你个英国佬在里面掺和什么。

4、英国佬质问美国某基金支持反查势力时的态度。
天啊,我从来没见过如此傲慢的记者。即便是华莱士采访塔利班的时候也只是抱着怀疑的态度。你可以不信,你可以反对,但你不可以把头昂过去斜眼不听,这是对人的起码尊重,更是记者应有的起码职业状态。同样受到了不公正对待的还有那个有钱人,别人有钱怎么着了?别人的钱现在是没有变少,但查的那些能够凌驾于法律之上的政策加大了别人的风险。只要是人都是趋利避害的吧?别人移民迈阿密怎么了,你喜欢别人从你口袋里掏钱?别人好心请你进屋,你却说别人坏话,这也太不厚道了吧?这英国佬可真“没道德”。

5、公布所谓的对反查势力的资助时,忽略对资金的介绍,忽略受资助的对象,一笔带过。到最后我都不知道那个基金是国有的还是私人的,而且那个基金只是基金,并不代表国家意愿吧?怎么能随便把帽子往美国头上扣呢?

其他被忽略了重要信息的还有很多,例如什么banana country的moderate的land reform,land reform有多moderate或者violent,根本一点没说嘛。

你们这些英国共产主义者们还真是站着说话不腰疼。先别说什么democracy之类的东西,先给我回答一个问题:民主就一定是穷人从有钱人口袋里掏钱的均富运动么!?

用在别处看到的一句话作结吧:你们这些人的脑垂体嵌入五角星了啊!?

 6 ) Democracy work?Jesus knows.

观《是谁在与民主为敌》有感


          这部纪录片是由英国导演约翰皮尔格导制而成。纪录片主线由与美国政府官员对话形成,批漏美国自上世纪七十年代CIA如何介入影响拉美地区独裁军政统治的过程。大部分影片内容围绕智利、玻利维亚两个国家展开,各展现两国如何在极右翼军政独裁统治的迫害下人民穷困潦倒的场景。
    据网上现有可循资料(主要由维基百科所得),七十年代的智利独裁统治者皮诺切特、乌拉圭的伯达维里、巴拉圭的斯特罗斯纳等,拉美国包括智利、乌拉圭、巴拉圭、阿根廷、玻利维亚军人政府频繁接触,为打压左翼势力、铲除马克思主义而联合发起了臭名昭著的秃鹰计划(Operation Condor)。随着军政权相继垮台,不为人知的细节泄漏,国际舆论指责抨击此项计划,此项计划也被批评为国家恐怖主义。
    皮尔格摄制此纪录片的初衷可能在于揭露上世纪七十、八十年代拉美军政统治的残暴,可纪录片中质问美国政府官员也隐含了信息:CIA的介入是否真为了拉美国的民主?还是仅为美国冷战期间实行霸国强权的外交政策的体现?观看影片后。摒弃皮尔格摄制纪录片的主观视角,本人认为拉美独裁统治的产生及恶化不可简单归结于美国的推波助澜,另外,结合本世纪小布什政府攻打伊拉克、阿富汗等国而观之,美国自上世纪成为头号强国后实行的对外政策,是否都是以打着输出美国民主价值观的旗号而理所当然地强行干涉他国内政呢?
    正如《独裁者手册》一书中作者所提,为什么同样一个人可以在一个国家推行善政却在另一个国家施行最残暴的独裁?在这里,与其说制度是答案,还不如说是问题本身。拉美国在民主转型之际必经受动荡及混乱,因民主必先适应国情而得以繁荣。塞谬尔亨廷顿所著《第三波:20世纪后期的民主化浪潮》所提,1974至1990年期间大约有30个国家从非民主政治体制向民主政治体制发生转型。观世间百态,民主虽已受到标榜及追捧,但不同的国家却有不同的理解。
    继皮诺切特此独裁者,纵历史而观,有利奥波德二世、恩帕尔霍帕夏、胡志明等人,独裁统治下的残暴事件更有亚美尼亚种族大屠杀、红色高棉等。观此纪录片后最深之感触,莫非在知悉一政治事件时应形成自身独立、批判性的思考,而非随着媒体的思维。
    民主并非为解决政治体制难题的最优良方,托克维尔《论美国的民主》大可算最早对民主体制深表质疑的作品,尔后亦有福山探讨民主是否为人类社会最终极之政治体制。民主的弊端显而易见,多数人暴政、少数服从多数原则的滥用、既得利益团体操纵民主选举等。时至今日,国际大环境下大多数国家都处于民主体制中,作为天生政治人,不禁思考民主应何去何从。

 短评

美国也并非一片圣地...

7分钟前
  • Kashing
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看完这部电影,就别再跟我扯什么普世价值观了

9分钟前
  • alexmaoist
  • 还行

第一次看部记录片看到声泪俱下!仿佛置身于黑暗的中世纪~~

10分钟前
  • 桃喜
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民主即我主。呵呵后。

11分钟前
  • 怎会
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看得我感动啊,震撼啊!!媒体确实信不得

13分钟前
  • jan_wl
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看完这个片子 再回头看看中国 古巴 我们走过来真不容易

15分钟前
  • 蛮子
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This piece of art shows spirit of another respectful and responsible journalist in our current time.

16分钟前
  • 辉夜姬
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里面有阿连德自杀前的广播讲话

21分钟前
  • 袁长庚
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自己的权利要自己去争取,不要等到强权者掠夺走后才开始悔恨。

25分钟前
  • 行走的鸡血
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日光之下,并无新事。

28分钟前
  • Rinn
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1 作为纪录片本身来说有点怂 2 每每听到这片中阿连德总统的最后一段录音 我都有点想哭的冲动 3 记得波拉尼奥的《荒野侦探》里那个委内瑞拉的老作家对两个年轻人说了什么么? “我是一个托派分子 蒂娜赫罗她也是” 然后贝拉诺和利马又去拿了一瓶新酒

29分钟前
  • INsomnia
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3月28號john pilger要在墨爾本的marxist conference裏面作報告, 早已買好票. 非常期待! democracy belongs to the street, the barrios, the fields and the minds of people.

34分钟前
  • 亂室佳人
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同样一面倒的电影。既然不同意,不看得了,这显然是强盗逻辑。那么不妨这么看,既然同意,干嘛不在里面找支持的例证,既然不同意,何不在里面找反例?只是前提需要抛弃脑中固有的偏见,这很难,但并没有难到比铁杵磨成针的地步

35分钟前
  • 稔之
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没有太多新的东西。倒是能看到媒体与官方口径的合作是美国长期使用的策略。第一次知道委内瑞拉比中国要政治开明……

36分钟前
  • 老常
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“民主”真是一个被用烂了的词,如果民主的“民”真的包括了贫穷的大多数的话,那么美国才是民主最大的敌人

38分钟前
  • Howe
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民主不是完美的

41分钟前
  • 蜗牛
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凶手就是你,真相只有一个

43分钟前
  • tongzhou930
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national security my axx

44分钟前
  • sabretooth
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深思

49分钟前
  • Lo
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还好是英国人拍的 否则肯定有人上来就说全是瞎编的

51分钟前
  • 青青
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